Tuesday, April 9, 2013

Tank profitability - Average net income for all tanks in game

Bonuses (premium account, events) have been removed!

TANK                     NET INCOME
Type 59                      26,573
8.8 cm Pak 43 JagdTiger      26,131
KV-5                         26,020
T34                          25,189
T26E4 Super Pershing         23,169
IS-6                         23,167
M6A2E1                       22,793
Löwe                         22,620
PzKpfw V-IV                  18,839
KV-220 Beta-Test             17,171
Type 62                      14,647
T-25                         13,375
Churchill                    12,589
PzKpfw B2 740 (f)            12,089
T14                          12,087
Dicker Max                   11,949
Matilda                      11,778
Ram-II                       11,491
105 leFH18B2                 11,447
M4A2E4                       11,207
BDR G1B                      10,419
Matilda Black Prince         10,167
T1 Heavy                     10,115
M10 Wolverine                 9,953
KV-1                          9,783
FCM36 Pak40                   9,343
Valentine                     9,331
T-34                          8,961
T49                           8,933
PzKpfw III/IV                 8,838
SU-8                          8,787
StuG III                      8,690
T-150                         8,679
M6                            8,597
M7                            8,590
PzKpfw S35 739 (f)            8,247
SU-85                         8,185
AMX 13 F3 AM                  8,130
PzKpfw IV                     7,986
Hetzer                        7,966
S-35 CA                       7,768
ELC AMX                       7,610
M4 Sherman                    7,548
M36                           7,487
T-34-85                       7,469
T-127                         7,342
T40                           7,117
SU-100M1                      7,096
T-15                          7,063
SU-5                          6,767
JagdPz IV                     6,687
M22                           6,671
Hummel                        6,622
ARL 44                        6,586
T-43                          6,565
VK 3001 (P)                   6,556
M8A1                          6,520
M41                           6,513
ARL V39                       6,509
VK 3601 (H)                   6,464
M4A3E2                        6,420
M18 Hellcat                   6,384
SU-85B                        6,326
M7 Priest                     6,276
KV-2                          6,252
AMX M4(1945)                  6,204
A-20                          6,183
PzKpfw II Ausf. J             6,176
SU-26                         6,162
PzKpfw 38 nA                  6,138
M5 Stuart                     6,103
M3 Lee                        6,065
PzKpfw VI Tiger (P)           6,059
T-28                          6,017
Wespe                         5,987
PzKpfw 38 (t)                 5,912
Somua SAu-40                  5,792
PzKpfw III Ausf. A            5,726
VK 3001 (H)                   5,688
AMX 105AM                     5,669
KV-1S                         5,620
M2 Medium Tank                5,606
PzKpfw III                    5,567
M3 Stuart                     5,503
T-50                          5,439
M37                           5,289
T82                           5,281
SU-76                         5,178
Grille                        5,149
B1                            5,142
VK 3002 (DB)                  5,111
PzKpfw II Luchs               5,102
AMX AC Mle. 1946              5,082
Lorraine39 L AM               5,066
MS-1                          5,054
Sturmpanzer II                4,991
AMX 12t                       4,990
AMX 40                        4,967
PzKpfw 35 (t)                 4,943
Leichttraktor                 4,883
BT-7                          4,876
M4A3E8 Sherman                4,836
VK 1602 Leopard               4,797
Renault UE 57                 4,791
PzKpfw VI Tiger               4,784
D2                            4,770
SU-100                        4,730
T-46                          4,715
T18                           4,705
AT-1                          4,690
T2 Light Tank                 4,639
M3 Stuart                     4,598
Sturmpanzer I Bison           4,562
Panzerjäger I                 4,535
RenaultFT AC                  4,505
MkVII Tetrarch                4,470
SU-18                         4,462
IS                            4,435
PzKpfw 38H735 (f)             4,426
T57                           4,398
KV-13                         4,378
BT-2                          4,327
Marder II                     4,314
T-26                          4,237
AMX 38                        4,202
T20                           4,196
AMX 13 75                     4,104
T25 AT                        3,999
T2 Medium Tank                3,986
KV-3                          3,925
S-51                          3,884
RenaultFT                     3,881
PzKpfw II                     3,862
PzKpfw V Panther              3,839
Jagdpanther                   3,826
Hotchkiss H35                 3,815
D1                            3,779
T1 Cunningham                 3,760
SU-14                         3,752
M2 Light Tank                 3,729
AMX 13 90                     3,689
SU-152                        3,509
T25/2                         3,497
RenaultBS                     3,440
M26 Pershing                  3,345
GW Panther                    2,914
M12                           2,398
T29                           2,193
Lorraine155 50                2,058
T-44                          1,825
Jagdpanther II                1,605
T95                           1,577
Ferdinand                     1,502
AMX AC Mle. 1948              1,254
ISU-152                       1,136
Lorraine155 51                  934
IS-3                            890
Panther II                      859
T28                             472
VK 2801                         442
T32                             362
T28 Prototype                   264
VK 4502 (P) Ausf. A             151
KV-4                           -225
M40/M43                        -238
T-50-2                         -329
GW Tiger                       -381
PzKpfw VIB Tiger II            -526
M24 Chaffee                    -597
E-75                           -734
AMX 50 Foch                  -1,691
Object 704                   -1,750
Jagdtiger                    -1,868
IS-8                         -2,034
Object 212                   -2,084
Object 263                   -2,372
AMX 50 100                   -2,692
SU-101                       -2,710
AMX 50 120                   -2,861
Lorraine 40 t                -2,862
ST-I                         -2,940
T92                          -3,077
M103                         -3,105
T30                          -3,260
VK 4502 (P) Ausf. B          -3,368
E-50                         -3,477
T-54                         -3,913
M46 Patton                   -3,981
T110E3                       -4,101
SU-122-54                    -4,667
Object 268                   -5,099
IS-7                         -5,397
AMX-50 Foch (155)            -5,445
JagdPz E-100                 -5,859
T110E4                       -6,146
E-100                        -6,343
T110E5                       -6,409
GW Typ E                     -6,606
IS-4                         -6,954
AMX 50B                      -7,205
Bat Chatillon 25 t           -7,208
Object 261                   -7,376
Bat Chatillon 155            -8,239
T-62A                        -8,472
Maus                         -8,527
E-50 Ausf. M                 -9,479
M48A1                        -9,544

American Prototype Light Tanks Post - WWII: The T71, T92, and the M551

The T71 and the T92 originated from the US Ordnance Committee in 1952, by 1953 they had chosen 3 designs. They were the T71 by Detroit Arsenal, the T71 by Cadillac, and the T92 by AAI.

Detroit's T71 was an 18 ton vehicle with an oscillating turret and an 76 mm autoloader(same ballistically to the M41's 76 mm gun). With ~340 hp it would be fairly quick. The frontal armor was a pike design similar to the IS-3.


Cadillac's T71 was a conventional style tank without an autoloader. It used the same gun as the Bulldog. It was to weigh a little less than 18 tons and would have the same engine as the other T71. Both T71s lost out to the T92 due to rapid progress in the T92's development. 

In WoT the hull is from the Cadillac T71 while the turret is from Detroit. If I recall correctly, The_Chieftain has alerted Minsk of their folly. In a future patch expect the T71 turret to be reunited with its hull.

The T92 is a very unique design which emphasized smallness. Weighing a little over 18 tons and armed with the same 76 mm gun the T92 was very close to being put into production which was planned in 1962. The 375 hp engine of the T92 would allow it to be very mobile. The 76 mm gun was located in a cleft turret which allowed for -10 degrees of comfy depression. The T92 was equipped with a semiautomatic loader. This would fire 1 round at a time and did not have any sort of drum. Each round would be put into the semiautomatic loader one at a time. After the round is fire the shell is automatically ejected. Protection is effectively the same as the M41 but lighter weight materials such as aluminum were used to protect parts of the T92.

This is the semiautomatic loader.
T92 size compared to the M41.
Some people say that UFOs are actually flying T92s from another dimension.



The first T92 arrived at Aberdeen in 1956, the second arrived the next year. Both proved capable machines but there were problems found, in all 50 changes were to take place and ranged from problems with the tracks to problems with the shell case ejector. In 1957, before the 2nd pilot T92 arrived at Aberdeen, Congress found out about Soviet PT-76 and its amphibious capabilities. The T92 was unable be modified to become amphibious due to the design of the vehicle. In 1958 the T92 was cancelled.

The XM551 was to be born out of the ashes of these 1950s prototypes. In 1959 requirements for an Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle(AR/AAV) were set, is was to be amphibious, air mobile, to have greater firepower than the M41, and to be quick. AAI and Cadillac presented thier designs. AAI's  12.5 ton AR/AAV featured a 3 man crew with a 152 mm gun-launcher. The armor was very weak and was to go upwards to 65 km/h.



Cadillac's design was heavier and featured 4 crew members which improved the fighting performance of the 152 mm armed vehicle. Armor protection was improved over the AAI vehicle, but was to be aluminum. In June, 1960 the Cadillac AR/AAV was accepted for further development as the XM551. Armament was decided in 1961 to be the 152 gun-launcher which won over the M32 76 mm gun, the M41 90 mm gun, and  105 mm gun(an M68 was mounted eventually in the 1980s actually just so you know). A 285 hp engine was mounted in the XM551 giving it some speed. Testing began at Aberdeen in 1962. These tests proved the XM551 was full of issues. FOUR more "generations" of pilot XM551s were tested until most of the chinks were worked out. You would think that if this thing needed so much modifications that it might not be worth it. By 1965 production of the M551 Sheridan commenced. In combat however the M551 was a failure.

Here is an excerpt for the book The World's Worst Weapons on the M551. 
"The resulting vehicle(M551) was all but useless for anything except distracting enemy fire from more useful assets." 

By 1970 the Americans started development to replace the Sheridan, the US never did adopt another light tank though. Many projects, some conventional some outright weird, we drawn up and some where extremely close to production. Today the US relies on the Abrams, Bradley, and a plethora of other vehicles to fill the void.

Now in WoT the Detriot Arsenal T71 is already in game and is expected to have the hull changed. The Cadillac T71 would be a great addition to the game being a good tier 7 light material. AFAIK the T92 is on track to become the tier 8 light tank after the M41. I personally would advice WG to reconsider the T92's position. It doesn't offer any great advantage over the M41 in anything, the T92 would be a let down at tier 8. If I was a developer the T92 would be a tier 7, maybe a crossover vehicle between the M41 and T71(DA). The XM551 is tricky. The 152 mm gun-launcher would be limited to only HE and HEAT rounds and guided missiles is a no-go. The armor of the XM551 is extremely weak and is liable to catch on fire every time it is shot.The Sheridan also is less comfortable(only -8 depression compared to the -10 on most other American Lights). Due to these reasons the XM551 should be excluded from WoT IMO.